Quote of the day:They say that love conquers all. Maybe,
but *I* haven't lost faith in armored
divisions with awesome firepower coupled
with total air and naval superiority.
(Maurizio Mariotti)
Wednesday, February 9
Same Sex Marriage
Today, in perusing my favorite blog sites, I came across something interesting. There's a link on ShoreChick's site to a law student's blog. The Irish Trojan's blog Brendan Loy. There was a link to a Yale Law Professor's blog,where there is a post on Arguments for Same Sex Marriage. The link takes you directly to the post. It's a good read, and interesting besides. I don't know law inherently, so I can't say how accurate it is. I can only assume that he knows what he's talking about. The comments on it disgust me. From the post, I can tell he was just showing the 5 main arguments that are commonly made for Same Sex Marriage. The comments, as a majority, show the prejudices of some of the commenters. The first few seemed to look at it with, what I feel, non-bias. They brought up some of the arguments that have been for and against. Basically, most were against Same Sex Marriage. It is inherently obvious, as the arguments against get more and more pathetic and idiotic. Why do they think marriage was only for procreation? I don't understand that. Not everyone goes to church, nor believe in any kind of god yet still signed a marriage contract. I don't remember there being a question on our application of marriage asking if we planned to have kids. No question on whether we intended to have sex. Nowhere does it say we have to have sex. I got married because I wanted the piece of paper. That's all it really is anyway, just a piece of paper. I am not religious, but I do hold my vows to be sacred. I knew it would be forever, I 'looked' deep inside myself and asked the questions all people should ask. Do I want to give up my right to look for someone else? Do I want to eventually be free from this marriage? Do I think there are other fish out there for me? Did I decide I was just settling until someone better came along. No, I did not. So with all that searching I had my answer. No, for me it didn't take long, but I know myself in a way most people do not know themselves. I know I have to work at my marriage. Everyone does. I know we will have fights, big ones. We have and do. So what, you can't be happy if you don't know sad. Things can be overcome. I'm not saying everyone should stay married. If you aren't and can't be happy, you really shouldn't be married. Less heartbreak for everyone in the long run. Abuse is and should always be a deal-breaker. So, I wonder what it is that a 'gay'(I hate this term, it's rude but serves a purpose)marriage can do to ruin mine? They going to break into my house, have sex with my husband and 'convert' him to gay? It seems to me that is what the argument is. Ruining my marriage. The idiots claiming that 2 people of the same sex getting a marriage contract will ruin mine along with everyone else's. I have a saying, 'Whatever floats your boat, as long as you don't PUSH it on me'. It's not saying that I don't want to know that you are/are not gay. It's saying if you are fine, just don't ask me to have sex/relationship with you after I tell you I'm not. That's all it is. You know something? I'm fairly sure there is no one that is 'gay' that would be interested in me. Yep, I'm not arrogant, I do not believe they want me. Nor do I really care if they do or don't. That's the point.
Another subject along the same lines. What gives those idiots the right to say that 'gay' couples aren't/won't be good parents? Because we, as a society, are so much better at it? Get real, how many broken homes are there, abusive relationships, etc. All within, or atleast starting within, the confines of marriage. If they want to prevent 'gay' people from having kids, they better start getting a standardized test that all couples must take before being allowed to have kids. That's right, I said it! I have known quite a few people who should never have been allowed to have kids. Number one being my mother. Maybe someone should do a real scientific, meaning no bias, study on the averages of bad parenting in same-sex vs. opposite sex. Breaking up of relationships in same-sex vs. opposite sex. I'm not saying either side is better. I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if, at the very least, they have the same numbers bad and good that we do. Probably better numbers, as from my impressions their relationships seem to last longer. Of course, a few of the comments in said post above say something about using gay marriage as population control. I think that's really stupid. Who says they don't want kids? They can procreate. There are sperm donors, egg donors, women willing to carry babies and adoption. I'm unsure if that's all the options, but hey I never said I researched the whole concept well, I said these are my opinions they should be taken as such. Let me tell you something about it. If I hadn't actually hated being pregnant, and had a couple of difficulties, I'd consider it. Of course I would want to have conditions. If it were family or friend I'd consider it. Not because I would only do it for family/friend. Because I would want to know that this child I carried would have a good life. I have a mothering personality, I would probably always consider the child to be partially mine. I'd donate the eggs, if I didn't have to take those dangerous drugs to make me ovulate extras. I would do something like this regardless of sexual orientation. For whatever reason, if someone was unable to have a child by normal means, I would consider it. Of course, this is something that is intensely personal. I'd have to ask myself many questions. Would I be able to give birth, then relinquish my rights as the mother? Can I be sure the baby will be loved? Taken care of? No one can really predict these things. I know that. You can only know whether or not you feel you have made the right decision. But yes, if it was family, I'd most likely do it. If it were a friend, I am unsure. I don't know. I don't have any friends with these problems, so it has never come up.
Another subject along the same lines. Hypocrites. Yes, I said that today too. We as a people, feel we have the right to look down on other countries for restricting the rights of their citizens. We do it, we all do it as a people. We look down on those that deny their women the right to vote, marry whomever they wish, not be beaten cuz they were raped. However, within our own country we are restricting basic freedoms. Freedom of Religion is one. I'm not talking about the hypocrites that want God in schools. My freedom to practice my religion is precious to me. I have the right to not believe in a God. I don't. There is no invisible man in the sky as far as I'm concerned. My children WILL have the right not to pray in school. God has no place in school or government. More people have died in the name of a religion, mostly Christianity, than for any other reason. Remember the Crusades? Yes, it was Christianity saying, if you won't believe in my God, you will die. Spanish inquisition? Yes, again Christianity, same thing. The ten commandments do not belong in schools. Why? you say. Because not everyone at that school believes the same things you do. Sure, the Jewish people have the ten commandments, I assume since it's in the old testament. The arabic people, the asian people, etc. do not. Who are we to decide they/their children must believe Christianity's god. Yes, Christianity, they are the only ones demanding the ten commandments and prayer. Why is it that the other religions respect our right to believe in our 'gods' but we cannot bring ourselves to do the same for them. No one really knows which religion is right, or if any of them is. They can believe all they want, but they don't really know. Isn't that what they claim faith is all about? Not knowing, but believing anyway? For all we know, Buddha is the real and only god. Oh, I'm sure that statement has the potential to piss some people off. The point being, it's possible, I didn't say it was true, anymore than I said your god was real and the only one.
Another subject along the same lines. The problem with 'gays' not being allowed same sex marriage is simple. They do not have the right to be in the room with their partner when they are ill and in the hospital. Who would you want in your hospital room when/if you were dying? The person you chose to spend the rest of your life with? Hell yes, that would be the choice you would make, but they are being denied this right. Not just the one not sick, but the one that is sick as well. It isn't a 'me me me' thing. When someone dies, you want their things. Yes, their things. That thing they treasured. That thing that will always, for you, have something of themselves within it. Not for monetary value, sentimental value. Yet if a partner of a same sex relationship dies, the living partner has no rights to their 'things' unless the children/nearest relative say they do. This is wrong. Very wrong. There are children of these people, not all are happy with their parent's choice. (Same thing with 'closest living relative'.) They blame the other half of the couple for the parent's choice. I'm not saying all of them do this, nor am I saying anything about it really. It is something that happens.
I can't put the rest of my thoughts in an intelligent order, so I'm off my soapbox for now. It's ok, take a deep breath and use your brain. |
Another subject along the same lines. What gives those idiots the right to say that 'gay' couples aren't/won't be good parents? Because we, as a society, are so much better at it? Get real, how many broken homes are there, abusive relationships, etc. All within, or atleast starting within, the confines of marriage. If they want to prevent 'gay' people from having kids, they better start getting a standardized test that all couples must take before being allowed to have kids. That's right, I said it! I have known quite a few people who should never have been allowed to have kids. Number one being my mother. Maybe someone should do a real scientific, meaning no bias, study on the averages of bad parenting in same-sex vs. opposite sex. Breaking up of relationships in same-sex vs. opposite sex. I'm not saying either side is better. I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if, at the very least, they have the same numbers bad and good that we do. Probably better numbers, as from my impressions their relationships seem to last longer. Of course, a few of the comments in said post above say something about using gay marriage as population control. I think that's really stupid. Who says they don't want kids? They can procreate. There are sperm donors, egg donors, women willing to carry babies and adoption. I'm unsure if that's all the options, but hey I never said I researched the whole concept well, I said these are my opinions they should be taken as such. Let me tell you something about it. If I hadn't actually hated being pregnant, and had a couple of difficulties, I'd consider it. Of course I would want to have conditions. If it were family or friend I'd consider it. Not because I would only do it for family/friend. Because I would want to know that this child I carried would have a good life. I have a mothering personality, I would probably always consider the child to be partially mine. I'd donate the eggs, if I didn't have to take those dangerous drugs to make me ovulate extras. I would do something like this regardless of sexual orientation. For whatever reason, if someone was unable to have a child by normal means, I would consider it. Of course, this is something that is intensely personal. I'd have to ask myself many questions. Would I be able to give birth, then relinquish my rights as the mother? Can I be sure the baby will be loved? Taken care of? No one can really predict these things. I know that. You can only know whether or not you feel you have made the right decision. But yes, if it was family, I'd most likely do it. If it were a friend, I am unsure. I don't know. I don't have any friends with these problems, so it has never come up.
Another subject along the same lines. Hypocrites. Yes, I said that today too. We as a people, feel we have the right to look down on other countries for restricting the rights of their citizens. We do it, we all do it as a people. We look down on those that deny their women the right to vote, marry whomever they wish, not be beaten cuz they were raped. However, within our own country we are restricting basic freedoms. Freedom of Religion is one. I'm not talking about the hypocrites that want God in schools. My freedom to practice my religion is precious to me. I have the right to not believe in a God. I don't. There is no invisible man in the sky as far as I'm concerned. My children WILL have the right not to pray in school. God has no place in school or government. More people have died in the name of a religion, mostly Christianity, than for any other reason. Remember the Crusades? Yes, it was Christianity saying, if you won't believe in my God, you will die. Spanish inquisition? Yes, again Christianity, same thing. The ten commandments do not belong in schools. Why? you say. Because not everyone at that school believes the same things you do. Sure, the Jewish people have the ten commandments, I assume since it's in the old testament. The arabic people, the asian people, etc. do not. Who are we to decide they/their children must believe Christianity's god. Yes, Christianity, they are the only ones demanding the ten commandments and prayer. Why is it that the other religions respect our right to believe in our 'gods' but we cannot bring ourselves to do the same for them. No one really knows which religion is right, or if any of them is. They can believe all they want, but they don't really know. Isn't that what they claim faith is all about? Not knowing, but believing anyway? For all we know, Buddha is the real and only god. Oh, I'm sure that statement has the potential to piss some people off. The point being, it's possible, I didn't say it was true, anymore than I said your god was real and the only one.
Another subject along the same lines. The problem with 'gays' not being allowed same sex marriage is simple. They do not have the right to be in the room with their partner when they are ill and in the hospital. Who would you want in your hospital room when/if you were dying? The person you chose to spend the rest of your life with? Hell yes, that would be the choice you would make, but they are being denied this right. Not just the one not sick, but the one that is sick as well. It isn't a 'me me me' thing. When someone dies, you want their things. Yes, their things. That thing they treasured. That thing that will always, for you, have something of themselves within it. Not for monetary value, sentimental value. Yet if a partner of a same sex relationship dies, the living partner has no rights to their 'things' unless the children/nearest relative say they do. This is wrong. Very wrong. There are children of these people, not all are happy with their parent's choice. (Same thing with 'closest living relative'.) They blame the other half of the couple for the parent's choice. I'm not saying all of them do this, nor am I saying anything about it really. It is something that happens.
I can't put the rest of my thoughts in an intelligent order, so I'm off my soapbox for now. It's ok, take a deep breath and use your brain. |
Unicorn. Edited to match the page.